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Fusion – Ria Lina, Yasmin Andrew and Howard Wilson

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Fusion Energy on the Horizon: Challenges, Breakthroughs and the Path to a Fusion-Powered Grid

In a Manchester-based episode, Brian Cox hosts a conversation with fusion scientist Yasmin Andrew, industry researcher Howard Wilson, and comedian Ria Lena to unpack how fusion energy works, the difference between magnetic confinement and inertial confinement, and why achieving a practical fusion reactor remains daunting. The panel explains fuels like deuterium and tritium, burning plasmas, turbulence, and the engineering leap from lab experiments to the grid. They discuss key facilities such as JET, the STEP project, and the promise of private investment accelerating progress, with timelines suggesting grid-scale demonstrations in the 2030s and commercial fusion in the 2040s–2050s. The episode blends rigorous science with accessible humor to illuminate a transformative energy path.

Introduction and panel

Brian Cox guides a discussion with Yasmin Andrew, a plasma physicist at Imperial College London, Howard Wilson of UK Industrial Fusion Solutions, and comedian Ria Lena, about the nuts and bolts of fusion energy, the potential it holds, and the barriers to deployment. The conversation centers on the Sun as a fusion furnace and how scientists aim to replicate that process on Earth safely and reliably.

"fusion is a limitless source of energy" - Yasmin Andrew

How fusion works: the basics

Panelists describe fusion as the merging of light nuclei, typically deuterium and tritium, to form heavier elements and release energy. They contrast fusion with fission and explain why achieving the right conditions—high temperature, density, and confinement time (the triple product)—is essential for a burning plasma that sustains itself.

Magnetic vs inertial confinement

Yasmin Andrew explains magnetic confinement through tokamaks and stellarators, while Howard Wilson outlines inertial confinement using powerful lasers to compress fuel pellets. The goal in either approach is to reach 200 million degrees and maintain confinement long enough for net energy gain.

Without plasma turbulence, fusion would have been working decades ago" - Howard Wilson

Engineering challenges and breakthroughs

The discussion covers turbulence, end losses, and the difficulty of simulating six-dimensional plasma dynamics. The role of advanced materials, including high-temperature superconducting coils, and the necessity of integrating theory, simulation, and experiment are highlighted as pivotal for progress.

"the valley of death between discovery and commercialization" - Howard Wilson

Future timelines and societal context

The group examines funding trends, climate imperatives, and the timeline toward practical fusion. The National Ignition Facility and JET are cited as proof-of-principle milestones, with STEP and subsequent commercial plants anticipated in the 2040s and 2050s, offering a path to seawater-derived fuel and lithium-based tritium breeding.

"We don't fund it because we don't know about it" - Ria Lena

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